Fantcha

Diva of Cape Verdian Music

Interview by Hortense Fuller

Note: Photos supplied by Fantcha's Management

AfricaSounds.com  Fantcha, we would like to start off the interview by focusing on your entry into the music business.  When was your first experience in music?

Fantcha: Well, in my house while growing up there was always music. That is because my two brothers were musicians, one a guitarist and the other played a ukulele.  As children, we used to sit outside the front door at night (as it is always summer in Cape Verde) and my brothers would begin play.  So during that time, I would just start to sing along for fun.  We used to have a lot of older people who would come to sit around us to listen to us.  So I grew up with all that music inside of me.  It was inside of me, so music was not something that I decided one day to  just "get into"...

Now it wasn’t until I was around 12 years old that my mother put me into a group for the upcoming annual Carnival.  In the group that she placed me in, there was something like 300 kids rehearsing for the Carnival!  And our Carnival group had this renowned Cape Verdian composer known as Ti Goi who was writing the music for our group.  He has since passed away, roughly five years ago.  So he was the chosen composer for the songs to be used in our Carnival group.

AfricaSounds.com: So tell us about your interaction with the group and the composer Ti Goi:

Fantcha:  Well one day Ti Goi was standing there in front of me, listening to my singing during rehearsal. He then came over to me and took me out of the long line of kids, and told me "You know, you have a very strong voice!" And so I replied, "oh really! Thank you." And then Ti Goi told me "I would like to have you come by my house from now on to rehearse.  What I’d like to do is have you sit with me for music lessons so that I can teach you many of my own compositions.  Then, you can teach the other kids in the Carnival troupe my music."  Of course, I accepted!

We started working together and rehearsing.  And then one day, out of the blue, Ti Goi asked me, "Did you ever met Cesaria Evora?"  Now, being a little girl, it was clear that I hadn't had the chance to meet Cesaria Evora yet.  Ti Goi continued, "You remind me so much of Cesaria when she was around 16 years old."  I was astounded!  All I could say was, "Oh really! I love her music" as we used to listen to Cesaria’s music all the time on the radio while growing up in Cape Verde.  She was a musical idol to us all.  Ti Goi replied to me, "Well, Cesaria and I are very good friends, and we sing together at all the bars and restaurantsI would love to one day introduce you to her." Naturally, I replied that I would love to meet her.

AfricaSounds.com:  So did Ti Goi introduced you shortly after to the celebrated Cesaria Evora?

Fantcha:  It did not happen right away...  You see, one year passed and then it was Carnival time again in Cape Verde.  We had all those soccer teams on my island in Cape Verde.  Fortunately, the soccer team called Derby won the championship that year, and as my composer and teacher Ti Goi was one of Derby’s biggest fans, he was participating in the Cape Verdian musical celebrations to coincide with this big celebration. 

It was also announced that Cesaria Evora would be singing at this event as well! So Ti Goi told me, "Francelina, I would like you to come with me to this Cape Verdian night that we are having in Derby and I will give you the chance to sing one song." I couldn’t believe it... me, the young Francelina? And he said, "Yes, Francelina, you.   And  Cesaria will be there as well so I would like to introduce you to her." I was hesitant as I had never sung for people in places like that before! But Ti Goi assured me, "You’re going to do just fine, and I just want to sing one song for everyone."

At this time that I was about 15 years old, and so I went home to tell my mother the big news... that Ti Goi wanted me to go sing in the club in which Cesaria Evora would also be singing! Lucky for me, my mother had no problem with it and so I went.  I met Ti Goi that evening and we went to the club together, and when I arrived I will never forget it… there was Cesaria Evora, sitting there at this one table with four friends of hers.  

The next thing I know, Ti Goi brings me up to Cesaria - my musical idol - and tells her, "Cesaria, I would like to introduce you to this little girl, she has such a beautiful voice and she is going to sing one song tonight." So Cesaria said to me, "Hi, what’s your name?" And at that time, no one called me Fantcha as my real name is Francelina, so I said to Cesaria, "My name is Francelina." Cesaria said "Well, it’s a pleasure to meet you, Ti Goi tells me that you’ve got a beautiful voice and will be singing tonight!" And I replied, "Well, I am going to try to sing one song." Then Ti Goi added, "You know, Cesaria, Francelina reminds me of you when you were about sixteen years old!" And Cesaria joked back to him, "Ti Goi, nobody reminds you of me!"

AfricaSounds.com:  What was going through your mind when you sang in front of Cesaria?

Fantcha:  Well, I got myself up on the stage in front of all those people, and decided to sing one of Cesaria’s very own songs, a classic tune called "Belga."  So I sang and for some reason, Cesaria really liked the way that I performed it that night.  I tell you, I was all shaking and trembling seeing those big shots for the first time up there in front of me! So that was my first big experience in music!

AfricaSounds.com:  Quite an experience for you at such a young age!  What would you recall as the next big moment for you in your musical development?

Fantcha:  The next big thing for me was the following year.  Again, I was participating in the Carnival celebrations.  But this time, I actually met and befriended Cesaria’s daughter - but without even knowing it at first!  You see, the funny thing is that I had no idea that this girl, my new friend named Fernanda, was Cesaria’s daughter.  We become friends during the Carnival preparations since we were in the same group.  You know, we were just two young girls hanging out after the rehearsals.  Yet one day after rehearsal, I was very thirsty and needed to drink a glass of water.  So Fernanda said to me, "Let’s go to my house for some water."  At that time, Fernanda lived in the city while I was living outside of the city in the village.  So Fernanda invited me to her house as it was the closest, and when we walked into her house, I saw Cesaria there in the kitchen and couldn’t believe my eyes!  The first thing I said when I saw her was, "Oh my God, do you remember me?" And she actually did! She said, "Yes, you were that little girl who sang my song "Belga" at the Derby club."  It was such a coincidence that Cesaria was Fernanda’s mother.

AfricaSounds.com:  So this was the moment when you really started to get to know Cesaria?

Fantcha:  Yes.  Now every time that my mother sent me to the city to get something, I would stop by Cesaria Evora’s house and visit.  We started developing a sort of friendship between us.  And one day, I told her "Cesariam, I would like to sing with you again one day."  Cesaria replied, "Well, I actually sing at a piano bar every night, as well as in other restaurants beforehand, so if you want, you can come sing with me tonight."

I couldn’t believe it, tonight! So she said, "Sure, why don’t you go home and ask your mother, and then I will take you to the club to sing with me." So I ran home as fast as I could to tell my mother the great news.  Luckily again, my mother allowed me to go.  You see, my mother has always been very supportive of me.  Back in the islands of Cape Verde, it was different then the big cities here, and my mother knew that I was in very good hands with Cesaria.  

AfricaSounds.com: We've heard that Cesaria has a very good reputation throughout Cape Verde.

Fantcha:  Yes, Cesaria is known throughout the islands as a great person and my mother taught me how to handle myself.   So Cesaria took me to the piano bar, and I started singing with her.

AfricaSounds.com:  This is when you began working with Cesaria more regularly?

Fantcha:  Yes, from that day onwards, I was with her Cesaria Evora every day.  She started taking me everywhere with her, to the restaurants and to the piano bars.  Cesaria has always been the Queen of Cape Verdean music, even before she became famous all over the world. And so because of my association with Cesaria, people in Cape Verde started to get to know me before I even had any recordings.  She’d take me to the radio, to the television interviews, etc. I was like her daughter.  So she took me everywhere and sometimes Cesaria would even be invited to concerts and she’d request that I had to be included in the event.  She was like it’s either I’m taking Fantcha, or I won’t perform. So the promoters really had no choice.

AfricaSounds.com:  How did you get the nickname and stagename Fantcha?

Fantcha:  Well in the piano bars of Cape Verde, everyone has a nickname.  At the piano bar, they used to scribble the nicknames of the singers and musicians on the wall who were to perform that night.  For example, Cesaria’s nickname in Cape Verde was Ciz, not Cesaria.  So they said to me, "Your name is way too long, Francelina, we’ve got to find a nickname for you!"  So there was this immigrant that lived in Switzerland and he was sitting there at the piano bar and he said, "I think Fantcha would be perfect!"  And so they all agreed and decided "Ok, let’s write Fantcha," and so right away I became Fantcha. I can say that I was baptized Fantcha at the piano bar.

So everyone started to get to know me as Fantcha.  If you ask for Francelina, no one will know who you are talking about, but with the nickname Fantcha they will know.   So that is where I really started with the singing career. That was my very beginning in music.

AfricaSounds.com:  About this time, you recorded your first album, correct?

Fantcha:  Yes.  Back in 1987, we had this singer named Bana who is also a producer. He’s the one who brought Cesaria to Portugal to record an album for him. Now, a year later, in 1988, he signed me up to record for him as well.  But financially, he couldn’t really release the album and promote it worldwide.  It was released only in Portugal, Cape Verde, and in some other European countries, but really only for the Cape Verdean community.  It was a small pressing.  So that was my first album, I can say my identity as an artist in Portugal and in Cape Verde.

AfricaSounds.com:  And so you were in Portugal to record the album?

Fantcha:  Yes, and after recording that album, I decided to stay in Portugal. That was unlike Cesaria, who had long ago decided that she never wanted to leave Cape Verde, only to tour, so she went back after her recording with Bana.  Cesaria travels, but there is no way she will live outside of Cape Verde. But as I was young, let’s say about twenty one years old, it was different for me.  You know, the situation in Cape Verde is difficult – it’s a very poor country, and very small.  If you want opportunity, you have to go somewhere else seeking for a better life.  And so I thought to myself, since I’m here in Portugal and I have just finished my first album, I will now stay here and try to extend my career, and see where it can go.  So I stayed in Portugal for one year and a half, after the album was released. At that time, I was singing for a producer who also had a small club and restaurant and was singing in that club every day.

AfricaSounds.com:  So which circumstances brought you to America for the first time?

Fantcha:  That story involved the first U.S. tour of Cesaria Evora.  It wasn’t until 1988 that Cesaria met José da Silva from Lusafrica, and he brought her to record a new album in Paris, her first album recorded in Paris.  As I was still in Portugal, Cesaria stopped there to visit me. She had just been invited to do a concert tour of the USA for the Cape Verdean community situated there.  And in typical Cesaria fashion, she informed José da Silva that if she went to America, she’d have to bring Fantcha with her.  She was always imposing this as she wanted me to go beyond and she always wanted to keep pushing my career forward.  One of Cesaria’s goals has always been to show that there are other artists to Cape Verdean music than just herself.  So with me, she could show that.  And I thank God everyday that Cesaria took me through the music world and guided me through the world.  I am very proud and couldn’t be more proud than having someone such as Cesaria as my guide.

So when José da Silva called me from France and invited me to New England, I was thrilled! I said to myself "Wow, I’m going to America!" You see, even in Portugal, there was not that much opportunity for an artist’s career. The community in Portugal is very, very small. And also Cesaria did not really like the situation for me in Portugal, singing every night in the club and not getting paid well, etc. She wanted to see me in a more healthy situation, it was her goal to get me away from that.  So I took off from Portugal and Cesaria took off from Cape Verde and we met in the America and stayed together for about three months performing at concerts for the Cape Verdian community in New England.

AfricaSounds.com: And you got to New York City to perform during that time?

Fantcha:  Actually, we performed in New York at the nightclub called SOBs in 1989.  It was terrific, Cesaria and Fantcha at SOBs. The response was great, it was incredible, but you know it was only our first concert. SOBs was sold out that night, but not that many people knew about Cesaria at that time. We’re talking about twelve years ago! But I think that people in New York were more just curious about this Cape Verdean music and they went there to experience it. And so we finished that concert at SOBs and went back to Rhode Island.

AfricaSounds.com: So what happened after the three month tour in the U.S.?

Fantcha:  When our contract finished, Cesaria went back to Cape Verde and I was supposed to return to Portugal. Just before Cesaria left, we were sitting there talking and she said to me, "Fantcha, I believe in my heart that in Portugal you will not do better than you are doing here. Just stay here in the United States." It was Cesaria who really encouraged me to stay here. Cesaria believes that every country has a God, and said to me, "Believe me, God is going to be with you and God is going to help you, and no matter how difficult it is going to be, you will do better here than in Portugal." And so after listening to her advice, I agreed and decided to stay in America.

AfricaSounds.com:  What happened next?

Fantcha:  A few years passed by, and José da Silva telephoned me and informed me that he wanted to sign me up to record an album for him.  I was thrilled! Finally, I would have an album on Lusafrica.  By this point, Cesaria’s career had taken off already with the album Miss Perfumado in 1994, so I was so excited and happy for her the way things were going in Europe. So finally, I was going to be able to go and record for Lusafrica as well.  But at that time, I was still waiting for my papers, so I couldn’t take off yet to record the album, or else I wouldn’t be able to return to the US.  So I explained this to José da Silva, and he completely understood and replied "No problem, Fantcha, I will wait for you, the minute that you get your papers, give me a call."  And that’s exactly what I did for him, I called him as soon as I got my papers in 1997, and went to Paris and started to work on the first album called Criolinha.  So we finished Criolinha and I thank God as none of us thought that Criolinha would necessarily do as well as it did worldwide… but it did, and I thank God for that, without God’s help and luck, that wouldn’t have happened.  So Criolinha did quite well, and was released stateside by Tinder Records in 1998.  And of course in Europe originally by Lusafrica, which is my main label. With Tinder Records, it was a licensing arrangement.

AfricaSounds.com:  Please tell us how you would describe Criolinha?  How is it different from other modern music coming out of Cape Verde?

Fantcha:  The album Criolinha has a totally different feel from Cesaria’s albums. To explain it best, Cesaria uses a 100% traditional style with all acoustic instruments. Because Cesaria is a singer, she sings. But with my musical productions, I am young and I like to dance. You see, when Cesaria sings, its "With the wrinkles on her eyes and the scar on her heart." But when Fantcha sings, it’s "With the smile on my eyes and the full happiness of my heart." That, to me, is the essence between our musics.

With my music, I want upbeat songs to dance to. On the first album, I have a mix of both electric and acoustic instruments. Therefore the production is not 100% acoustic and not 100% traditional. That is the difference of it. When I sing, believe me, I love to see people dancing to my music. When Cesaria sings, she is sending a different message that people can sit there, even if they don’t understand the lyrics, and feel the essence of the music in their hearts. When I sing, I can see that also people don’t understand, but that my music transmits this happiness and some kind of festivity. Like in the concerts, you often see people jumping and dancing to my songs, and that is what I like. I like to be moving on the stage, dancing and communicating with the audience. That’s my feel.

AfricaSounds.com:  You work with a wealth of different composers n your first album.  Could you give us some background on some of these composers from Cape Verde?

Fantcha:  When I made that album, I did not have the songs already in my head, because that album doesn’t have my own compositions.  You see, Cape Verde has a very strong tradition of composers.  When I called him back, I knew what composers I wanted to have for my songs. I wanted my album to be something new, a fusion, a mix.  So I called Joseph Silva back, and we talked about the songs and the composers that I would like to use. Because one of the best composer in my country, Manuel d’Novas, (for whom Cesaria records a lot of compositions), he is my good friend. So the first composer that I mentioned was Manuel d’Novas.  And he also plays guitar and we played a lot together back in Cape Verde.  I also said that I wanted Paolino Vierra, he’s the master of Cape Verde music.  He is a composer and he also plays all kinds of instruments. He is the master to me.  So we collected the songs, and I went to Paris, we sat down, I listened to the songs, I chose what I wanted, and José da Silva agreed with me, and next we got the band together and rehearsed the material, and then went to the studio. That’s the way it was.  I was in the studio for the vocals, and spent about three weeks. The arranger did all the tracks.  What we do, I sat there with the piano and my voice, and that’s how we recorded the tracks.

AfricaSounds.com:  You have just come out with your latest album, called Viva Mundelo, which is being released in the USA by Harmonia Mundi and in Europe by BMG.  How is this work different from your past albums and what is the initial reaction from the public?

Fantcha:  Although it is too soon to tell you how well it is doing, I am hoping that it will do even better than the last. I decided that this album, Viva Mundelo, would be different. I told José da Silva of Lusafrica that I wanted this album to be a happy, uptempo album, but at the same time, I wanted to have it all acoustic. You see, Cesaria is my inspiration, and they always say that when you have a guide, you always have a tendency to pick something from that person. No one will ever be Cesaria, she will always be herself and I have a huge respect for her. I want to be Fantcha and want people to recognize me for who I am as well. I don’t want to be in Cesaria’s shadow. There is still a lot of comparison in Europe and in Cape Verde. But the part of my inspiration is that I love all the acoustic instruments, and on this album I show that it can be happy songs also, this acoustic sound can be a different feel.

And to me, of course, my feeling on this album is quite different from the first. It’s all-acoustic, a lot of horns, different from the other album that I had more synthesizer. But on this album, there is only one song with electronic guitar. But everything else is acoustic. Yes, some of the strings and horns were recorded in Cuba. My producer was the decision behind that. Some of the recording was done in Cuba, some in Portugal. There is a different feel between the tracks. That is really what makes this recording so interesting. Some of it was recorded in Paris, some of it was recorded in Portugal, some of the horns and strings were recorded in Cuba and some of the other parts were recorded in Portugal. One of our percussionists is from the Caribbean Martinique. So you’ve got this Portuguese and Cuban fusion between the different countries The fusion is done a bit differently then other releases out there. That was my goal and my producer’s goal, to make a unique fusion that sounds like something different.

 

AfricaSounds.com:  What about the compositions on Viva Mundelo?

Fantcha:  Many of these songs are new compositions on Viva Mundelo. There are two of the old composers, Gregorio Gançalves and Maneul d’Novas, who are regarded as an inspiration to the young generation of composers. But the others, including Teofilo Chantre, Anter Simas, Tito Paris, Daniel Spencer Brito, Betu and Vuca Pinheiro, I consider as all new composers, as they started writing not too long ago.

AfricaSounds.com:  Fantcha, the music from your country is so different, so unique.  How do you explain the wealth of composers, singers and instrumentalists from your country, which is relatively small yet produces such immense musical talent?

Fantcha:  In a country like Cape Verde, you sing for fun and you don’t put it in your head that you will become a big singer or a star. On the islands of Cape Verde, everyone loves music. You’ll find a fisherman playing a guitar and singing, you find a lady rocking her baby singing, it’s like this music, we were just born with it in our hearts. That is what I believe. To make it even more different, we don’t even have a music school. You find all those talented musicians from Cape Verde, but there is no school for music! I believe it’s God’s gift. For example, Tito Paris never went to music school. But what these composers are able to write and accomplish in their compositions, it’s so touching that you find yourself thinking that they must be trained in professional schooling. I once saw a journalist in Portugal who couldn’t believe that Tito Paris had never been to the conservatory to learn music. It is just God’s gift to Cape Verde. That is what makes Cape Verde so interesting, that there is such a wealth of good musicians. They were born with this music in their hearts.

On that note, a lot of people ask me if I went to a vocal school. But I never did. Up to now, I have never been to any vocal school. Again, it’s just a gift. I don’t train my voice. Whenever we have a concert, I go and rehearse. But it is all-natural. The only thing that I do before I go to the concerts is that I drink coffee, because I am a coffee drinker. I have to go on stage with some coffee.

AfricaSounds.com:  Is the Portugese that you speak in Cape Verde similar to that of other Portugese speaking countries in Africa and the Diaspora? 

Fantcha:  As far as the lyrics in our music, because we speak our dialect, Portuguese is our school. But in everyday base, we speak our dialect, Creole. That’s what we are singing, Creole, not Portuguese. But if we speak with someone from Angola, we understand their Portuguese… it’s all the same Portuguese, from Angola, Guinea Bissau, from Mozambique, from Timor, from Sao Tome Principe, it’s all Portuguese. But again, they have a dialect also, and when they speak this dialect, then we cannot understand each other. It has to be Portuguese for us to understand. Just like our Creole is different from the Patois here.

AfricaSounds.com:  We've noticed that there are high concentrations of Cape Verdeans in the Boston and Rhode Island region.  Do you have some ideas as to why that is so?  Are there other regions in the USA where you find a large Cape Verdean population?

Fantcha:  You see, Cape Verdeans came over, I heard in Cotton Fields way, way back. You can find 2nd and even 3rd generation Cape Verdeans here in the United States, particularly in Massachusetts. They said that the population of Cape Verdeans in the U.S. is even bigger than the population of Cape Verdeans on the islands themselves. It’s not even in New England. In California as well, there is a huge community of Cape Verdeans. Two years ago, I went to sing at the Hollywood Bowl, and I was so amazed at all the Cape Verdeans. I talk about it, and it makes my skin crawl. When I was singing Sodade, the song that Cesaria recorded, I saw this bunch of people with the Cape Verdean flag screaming. They surprised me! Afterwards, they made a pot of Cachupe (our traditional dish in Cape Verde), and they made a pot of Catchupa and brought it backstage for me and my musicians. And the next day, they all went to the hotel and had a picnic for us. And they told me that you’ll find Cape Verdeans in California that cannot even speak Creole! Because they are 3rd generation, they don’t even know how to speak Creole or Portuguese. Because its been so many generations. But they are so thirsty for the cultural aspect, they understand where their roots come from, and they really show how proud they are of their culture when music artists come to town.

There are a few musicians in Massachusetts, that is where my band is based. Here in New York, unfortunately, we have no musicians. I came to New York as my close friends were all here in New York, and as I had no family here, I came to New York to be with them. I love New York, it is a very exciting city, it is all the stress and excitement together that makes New York so interesting!

AfricaSounds.com:  So can we expect you to stay in New York in the future?

Fantcha:  If you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere ein the world. It’s hard, there’s a lot of struggle that you have to put up with here, but the city also teaches you a lot of lessons as well. If I was to leave New York, I’d live in Cape Verde.

AfricaSounds.com:  Fantcha, we really appreciate the tremendous insight that you have provided us with today.  Your music has brought us a lot of happiness.